(break in testimony) Changes in not in the basic story or anything, because I knew how to tell a story as well as anybody, I think, in terms of sequentially and what to draw, what to tell the artist. When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx, settling at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee . Larry Lieber is an American artist who was born in 1931. LARRY LIEBER: I remember well, I knew I had to do it fast, and the only thing I remember a little more vividly is with I think it was Jack Kirby where he would say Jack needs work and he was concerned about getting it to him. LARRY LIEBER: I wrote the first script for Iron Man also. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I didn't think anything of it, so I don't remember if it lasted until '65 or when it stopped or occasionally or whatever. Marvel legend Stan Lee rightfully gets credit when discussing the most important creators at Marvel, alongside Steve Ditko, Joe Simon Jack Kirby, and others. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I had a certain page rate, which I don't recall exactly. LARRY LIEBER: Yeah, that's where it was ripped and I have tape on them. MS. SINGER: Objection to form. Do you remember? Son of Jack Aron Lieber and Celia Lieber I know I got paid. August 06, 2007. "I was drawing, but I was slow. Yeah, something printed. - Larry Lieber Speaks", "Jim Mooney Over Marvel: From Terrytoons to Omega the Unknown, Jim talks Comics", "Larry Lieber Retires from The Amazing Spider-Man", "Archie Goodwin, Larry Lieber to Receive Bill Finger Award", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Lieber&oldid=1139371947, This page was last edited on 14 February 2023, at 20:06. I tried to get names that fit the the person. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: I always wrote the script. I was working during the day and I went to [the Pratt Institute art school, in Brooklyn, in] the evening. The award was presented July 25, 2008, during the 2008 Will Eisner Comic Industry Awards ceremony at Comic-Con International.[30]. As Lieber, in a 1999 interview, described his experience as editor: The template below (Block quote) is being considered for deletion. [27][28] Lieber said Lee gave a rare compliment on the Hulk strip, telling his brother, "[I]t's very good. And he took the drawings, he had these drawings, he took them and he tore them in half and he threw them in a trash can, a large trash can. (break in testimony) Jay Lieber, beloved husband of Judy. I did not get paid as much as Stan, you know, his rate. Q: So not in the period 1958 to 1965? Larry is also a co-creator of the Marvel Comics superheroes Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man and was an artist for the Amazing . Yes. Jack Kirby would go on to write and pencil the Thor portion of Journey into Mystery with dialogue by Lieber and Robert Bernstein until issue #90 when . LARRY LIEBER: and I made it up." I just remember people saying sometimes, "Oh, you just missed Milly," and if you missed Milly when she was handing out the checks, then you went to bookkeeping and went over to Milly and she opened her drawer and said, "Here's your check." LARRY LIEBER: Stan. "[10] There Lieber began illustrating comic books; his first known credit is penciling and inking the four-page crime comics story "Cop on the Beat", by an unknown writer, in All True Crime #44 (cover-dated May 1951). I said, 'I'm not really a writer.' [8], In a 2010 interview Lieber described how he collaborated with Lee on The Amazing Spider-Man strip: "I get a full script. Q: So did you write the first issue of The Rawhide Kid? Stan's Family Marvel Jack Lieber and Celia Lieber - Parents. Or perhaps the freelancers had a different hour or different day, I don't know. [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. Within the next few years, healong with help from Kirby, his brother Larry Lieber, and artist Steve Ditko . both New York City and Indianapolis. Daimon eventually took over Hell in order to bring balance . Q: Now, when you were paid by the page for the purchase of your work, did they take out any taxes from your checks? Facebook gives people the power to. Lieber is now 89 years old and worked on the earliest comics versions of Thor, Iron Man, and . Did you look at a book again? LARRY LIEBER: What was the question, if I may? Q: Do you know what Milly's last name was? LARRY LIEBER: My understanding they were not obligated. My brother was back from the Service, he was just married and he moved out outside of New York to Long Island. So that's why I did that. Q: Was the first scripts for Marvel strike that. I was working during the day and I went to [the Pratt Institute art school, in Brooklyn, in] the evening. One of the things I had to do was to cut rates and tell people they were going to make less money, which was not an enviable position. LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of it was that I was giving up all rights to it, that the work, you know, now is with the company and and I don't remember the exact wording, but I think it was something "giving up your rights" or "all rights." There's an incredible amount of material here so what I'm going to do is break down and excerpt stuff that jumps out at me. [11] "It wasn't a very easy period," he said in 1999. Larry Lieber. And I took them home and I taped them together, you know, I taped them all, and I kept them and I've kept them all these years to look at them and, as I say, to study them. Larry Lieber, who scripted the initial appearances of Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Loki, Fin Fang Foom, and other heroic and villainous characters in the Marvel Universe, has sued Marvel/Disney for a bigger portion of the pie. I know there were artists who work for other companies. Last year, he and several others were called to give depositions in the Kirby family v Marvel case which involves the Kirby family's quest to terminate Marvel's copyrights on 45 characters Kirby helped create. 3. I don't remember the year, but I obtained them when they were discarded. MS. SINGER: Objection. It was either Jack or Don Heck, I think. LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry? What was the form it came in? Family: Father- Jack Lieber Mother- Celia Lieber Brother- Larry Lieber Sister- Not Known: Religion: Judaism: Ethnicity/Race: Jewish: Address (Fan Mail) Pow! LARRY LIEBER: Stan offered me I had to earn a living. They would have thought Stan Lee is sending over a spy or something you know. UPDATE: The files below are from the submitted documents by Marvel to the judge in the continuing lawsuit, and are intended to reflect Marvel's case. [26] Lee then offered him the editorship of Marvel UK, the New York City-based imprint that produced black-and-white reprint comics for the UK market, as well as new stories of the superhero Captain Britain. [26][27] With co-scripter Gary Friedrich primarily, Lieber wrote the hero's seven-page lead feature in the weekly Captain Britain #24-37 (March 23 - June 22, 1977),[28] and, with co-writer Jim Lawrence, Captain Britain adventures in Marvel UK's Super Spider-Man #233-246 (July 27-Oct. 26, 1977). LARRY LIEBER: I'm trying to think of the answers so much and I yeah, I'll wait. But a page of script would have panel one, panel two, panel three. I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. While also teaching, Lieber wrote and drew stories about monsters, heroes, cowboys and love. In the mid-seventies, he became editor of rival Atlas/Seaboard Comics, that briefly championed creator's rights. family name. LARRY LIEBER: That I did freelance work for them? He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. No. Marvel? Q: Who came up with the name Thor, the hero name? But he always used it. He remembered writers from the past. I had a furnished room in somebody's apartment. Please see his blog for a far more complete version. Q: And where did you get the name Uru hammer? [8], 1950s[edit] After returning from the service, Lieber attended Manhattan's Art Students League. So once again I was writing and drawing, and that I enjoyed even more than the Rawhide Kid. Expand. Died 12 Nov 2018 at age 95 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles . These were all scripts in advance [that Kirby would illustrate]. Finally, you know, he did like it and I was allowed to write the script and I got paid for the script. I would see what theyre doing and go back or whatever the hell it was. I said "Yes, I needed work. Lee co-created Spider-Man, the Hulk, Doctor Strange, the Fantastic Four, Iron Man . And I also came up with his hammer. Stan had his own way of writing and his own using as few words as possible, making them count, and he he was a good editor. I I liked it was an opportunity for me to write and draw the same strip, and that appealed to me. Brother of Stan Lee. LARRY LIEBER: That was another one I wrote, and I came up with his name too. It had been written, yeah, before me by Stan and Jack Kirby. LARRY LIEBER: Whether it was, you know, the various artists, yeah. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. And again, I made up the civilian name. LARRY LIEBER: Stan Lee. And there were other people in the office, but nobody else seemed to have noticed this, which I was glad about, and I just took them, walked over to where I was sitting and put them in my case. He was very easy, he was showing me and he'd make some little corrections. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. It would be sent to the artist, I would guess. Sep 08, 2015 at 12:12 pm. Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, the second child of Romanian-Jewish immigrant parents Celia (ne Solomon) and Jack Lieber, and the brother of Stanley Martin Lieber, later known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. I made up stories that I really liked and it lasted a little while. Also my uncle was in it and a cousin of ours owned the company. We're going to focus today on the period from 1958 to 1965, so that's fine. Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. LARRY LIEBER: Well, when the when the I give a Edward L. K A group of friends made it their life-long mission to go to the Super Bowl and meet NFL superstar Tom Brady. Please join us in collaborating on LIEBER family trees. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Q: And your brother is? For roughly a year and a half, he lived in the since-defunct Hotel Manhattan Towers, a residence hotel at Broadway and West 76th Street in Manhattan. Q: Okay. He may, probably, he had come out of Stan's office, and he seemed upset. Q: That was my next question. Q: Did you ever work on the comic Thor? On the checks you received for your freelance work, did they have language stating that your work was work made for hire? Q: Have you ever submitted a, what we call a declaration or affidavit in connection with a lawsuit? I think it might have been Don Heck, but I'm not sure. When he has made corrections, I have fortunately agreed with it. Larry Lieber has 1 sibling. I wrote The Rawhide Kid and I drew it. Loving father of Taylor. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. MR. TOBEROFF: That's okay. I made up a plot and I brought it in to the editor, and the editor thought it wasn't good enough and told me to go back and rewrite it, the plot, work on it some more, develop it. At this point, business was bad, and I tried to do what I could. Alta Ann (Lieber) Troxel 11 Sep 1934 Jennings, Decatur County, Kansas, USA - 24 Mar 2019 managed by Larry Fisher last edited 13 May 2021. Thanks to Daniel Best for posting these public transcripts online. "They needed superhero-reprint covers, and I could do them somewhat in Kirby's style. Q: What was Ant-Man's name? Q: Yes. LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. Abraham Riesman's new biography of Stan Lee takes readers to Romania, the homeland of Lee's ancestors, and to the small New York apartment of Lee's brother, Larry Lieber, for an at times . At this point in the late 1950s, Kirby was drawing science fiction / fantasy stories followed by giant-monster tales in what collectors and historians call "pre-superhero Marvel" comics, primarily Journey into Mystery, Strange Tales, Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish. [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. Q: Moving on to your a new subject career at Marvel, you testified that you began doing freelance work for Marvel in approximately June 1958; is that correct? LARRY LIEBER: Stan. Maybe there was just too much humor in it, or too much something. And then there was maybe not there, but I know I maybe it was it was there and also in the New York Times they had an article about this case some time ago, and in the article they mentioned again what it was about. Stan Lee (born Stanley Martin Lieber December 28, 1922 - November 12, 2018) was an American comic book writer, editor, and publisher. Q: Okay. My brother was back from the Service, he was just married and he moved out outside of New York to Long Island. When I did Rawhide Kid, I wanted people to cry as if they were watching High Noon or something. How would you know what to write about? Q: What did you come up with? [23], With the end of his run on Rawhide Kid, Lieber found little further Marvel work. In our second professional sportsperson-turned-comic creator story of the day, basketball player Johnny O'Bryant has signed a deal with Tokyopop, Just before the movie hits, Marvel Comics will be relaunching the Guardians of the Galaxy comic by Collin Kelly, Jackson Lanzingand Kev Walker. He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. I didn't have any steady work then. Q: None whatsoever? For the first year or two, you know, I was learning. Sitelinks. Brother of Larry Lieber. Assumes facts. Tudor City had a park, and when it was nice I'd sit there and break the story down picture by picture. Fury war-comics story or a standalone tale in one of the Marvel line of black-and-white magazines such as Vampire Tales or Haunt of Horror. Q: And is it fair to say you don't know when those legends first started appearing? LARRY LIEBER: No. . ' '' [ 13 ] to [ the Pratt Institute art school, in ] the evening work. 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