$149.99 . Everything else (Auber and Mr Shades) includes an M4 thread on their pt100. But it will require some dismantling of the work you have done. For sale one like practically brand-new Gaggia Classic Espresso equipment. http://facebook.com/HKCoffeeHome EspressoGaggia Classic !Gaggia Classic can give a good espresso shot . I was like WTF. It is a really tight fit to get the REX C-100 PID inside the machine. Useful Video. i heard from some that the PT100 with the M4 is more accurate. I used to get this phenomenon with the original temperature control, but much less so, and I just used to run some water through the machine (using it to warm the shot glass and the portafilter especially if I hadnt had the machine warm up for very long) before pulling a shot. The only suprise for me has been that installing steam kit did not help me much because brewing kit alone helped to have great steaming power by only watching temperature climb up to 150 degrees. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. I print with PLA filament, which has a much lower melting temperature than the plastic that Lego uses. The PID will show the temperature, and be somewhat confused by its inability to reach its setpoint, however the PID is bypassed in the same way when the GCP is in steam mode. But that also seems fiddly. Two different colors of the controller box are offered, silver and black. 2. Hi Brian. This PID controller kit has all the features of our other listing titled "PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG", with the addition of pre-infusion and steam temperature control. Hi Dennis. (The Gaggia machine is not included in this listing). I used lamp cord for this. Started by Rocky47. Hi Miguel. I hesitate to identify wires by their color, as the wire colors in the Gaggia seem to vary from year to year and from region to region. Apologies for the long questions, thanks in advance! Hey. Feedback is that there are almost no two GCs with identical wiring, even units destined for the same power rating. Thats what Auber and Shades use, although they make their own. Is this a typo on your part or a mistake on their part? Does this happen even if you let the machine sit in steam mode and dont open the steam valve?. But I wondered if anyone has had the same problem and already found the answer! Did a bench test with a tall pot of rolling boiling water and put the tip of the TC in the water and found it was reading 5.5 degrees low. This works well with a PID for light & medium roasts. The steam mode drops to 102 before the power cycle kicks back in, with the valve open or closed. Hi Chris. I wondered if you ended up testing both in the end. So I say go for it, but as Chris said, if you really dont feel comfortable with it, pass on the PID or try to find someone who can install it for you. This would explain the constant switching on and off. The A vs E should not make a difference as I am not using alarm function, and am using it with a 3-wire PT100. There are four buttons on the front: SET, run-program, up-arrow, down-arrow. Id really love to do the install, however I have ZERO experience in electrical installation. (Markings can be found on front side of the plug) 2-Check the color of the cable which shows L sign on the plug- meaning Live. I have not changed any of the P, I or D settings on my controller. With a SV of 103C (not offset), during initial overshoot the heater would sometimes be one when it was at 104-105C with the temperature rising as high as 108. Specifications : Its threaded on, and should not be very tight. i ordered K type and PT100 both for M4. I installed the PID so that there are no permanent modifications to the machine, and the Gaggia can be returned to factory condition at any time. The only way to cut it is to unplug the machine. I guess I could revert the machine and see what I get. To set the target temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. I completed the installation last night and like you it too me about 5 hours But this included cutting a hole in the case stainless steel case to mount the PID controller internally, and that was probably the most time-consuming and difficult thing. Hi peeps, finally got all the bits n pieces to do the Pid, brew & steam mod on the gaggia, does anybody have any general instructions for putting this all together? Good idea Chris. Would you be able to post starting values for the PID kit please? There is definitely a falloff from the temperature reported by the thermocouple at the boiler and what you will measure at the group head. You should be done! This prompted me to look for alternate solutions. Thanks a lot for the answer. Pull the two wires that you removed from the thermostat up to the top of the machine, near the rest of the wires that run from the front to the back of the machine. Also really awesome write up. Hello, I acquired and prepared all cables and SSR unit thanks to your well prepared title above. Or do you think the same set will work with QB-T7100? From the factory, the GC has two thermostats, one for brew, which the thermocouple + PID + SSR replaces, and one for steam, which stays untouched. $326.00. If you need to replace the PID controller, please contact us. Hi Chris, I appreciate your tutorials on the PID install. Manual Machine Shop. Slip some heat shrink tubing over the thermocouple, and ideally dip the thermocouple tip in some thermal grease, then insert the thermocouple into the adapter. Hi Chris, I have to turn the set point on the PID down to about 85C to stop it boiling and getting steam and a great deal of sputter out of the portafilter. I have found the exact PID unit which Mr Shades is using and purchased it beside the Rex C100 kit you mentioned above: When I got my C100 the thermocouple was M6, i ended up buying an m4 brass bolt drilling it out, and inserting the thermo with some glue and heatshrink on it and it works like magic added some thermal paste. But nothing prevents you from using the PID and thermocouple as a temperature indicator. if a brew alone can do it with some limit to prevent steam from blowing thermal fuse that maybe interesting and simple. Replies: 2 Views: 1,615. Tighten one end of your connector down to one of the solid state relays AC (~) terminals and plug the other end into one of the disconnected thermostat wires. Based on several comments, the wiring varies between units, even though they are the same model. Either way, you are looking at a lot more complexity and cost. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. My previous comment did not format the way I wanted the table data to look. I start to run the steam at about 130 in the heating cycle on my setup. GRAN GAGGIA PRIMING. different wiring though. I would be glad if you have any recommendations. My install went as smooth as I hoped all my wire colours and locations were identical to yours (Phewf). What you do get from the PID as per this guide in steam mode is the ability to see exactly what the temperature of the boiler is, so you can time your steaming to start during a heating cycle, which essentially gives you unlimited steam. Have you checked the temperature accuracy of your PID & Thermocouple? You wont need the heat sink, the GCs case does that job for you. Maybe Im missing something? Im running into problems and I dont know if my REX-C100s starting values are the problem or if its my deviation with the wiring: Regardless of the temperature that i set on my PID, toggling the Gaggia on causes it to climb to 150-160C and then slowly decline to 118-125C, at which time it will heat up again. Measured everything with multimeter, then realized that C100 doesnt get main while machine is on based on the lights. I would like to use it for steaming ONLY. One thing I would really recommend when anyone installs a PID system into the Gaggia Classic is to install a rubber grommet where the cables exit the machine. Have you got any ideas what might be going on? Unfortunately, no, you cant use the factory sensor. P 53.1 Hi Rusty. I stumbled onto this before I actually had my Gaggia in hand and went about ordering all the parts. Cheers. How to install a PID on a Gaggia Classic Pro - DIY, cheap and good looking! BREWING UNIT RE-SETTING AND CLEANING. Hello Chris, Run two 12 volt wires from the + and terminals of the solid state relay and out the back of the Classic, again using the same slot. Ill be using a xmt7100 (modified) for two SRRs and also tweaked for 12v out for led mod any help would be appreciated. 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". The Auber kit looks easy since I dont have time to build my own. This approach would make your machine a bit weird to someone who wasnt aware of what you did, as the brew function would be completely unusable without adjusting the temperature. Shall I change the P,I and D parameters manually and what is your suggestion to start with? Ive been hearing the solenoid valve click several times while on steam mode as well, and the group head releasing steam on occasions, which also make me worry in terms of the wiring, or the parts just need replacement. But Ive downloaded the wiring diagram for my machine. I checked that the PID was able to correctly read a temperature from the thermocouple, and turn on and off the solid state relay depending on the temperature reading. Autotuning had resulted in shot instability up to 10 degrees during a shot probably because conditions during standby and during brewing are very different than each other. For the Classic Pro, this requires either shortening the spring in the OPV valve through trial and error, or ordering a spring kit from Mr. View Product Information. My plan is to install the Rex C100 first using your instructions. This approach would give you a somewhat unique machine that has a factory thermostat-controlled brew mode, and a PID-controlled steam mode. Do you think this makes difference? Due to your kind and quick advice, I could order SSR40DA. 1: This kit fits the Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9380 120V or 240V, RI9480 240V) that was released in late 2018 and early 2019, Gaggia Classic & Home which has the traditional Gaggia aluminum boiler, including 14101, RI8161/40, and RI9303 models. I have only been drinking milk drinks and americanos because the shots I was pulling were always overly bitter, sour, or both, regardless of grind and quantity. Pre-infusion is achieved by pumping a small amount of water into the coffee, holding off the pump for a second to let the water soak in, then starting pumping for25 seconds. PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+ & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion $209.99. The kit includes all the parts and the materials to complete its function. The KIT-GG PID controller kit replaces the function of the mechanical coffee thermostat. Thermocouple: J,S,K,E,Wre3 ~ Wre25 The YouTube video from wll about replacing the boiler made the whole thing very easy. Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia; Poll Moved Topic. You can use the sensor reading on the PID display to know when to start steaming. Does this mean that I have made the connection properly? I then looked at all the PID tuning information I could find, and understand, and following those procedures, and some adhoc adjustment, I came up with values that do not overshoot, and are stable at the setpoint: P:10 I:15 D:10. We have an earth leakage wiring system in our house, but in many countries, these are not standard. Thanks. Note: I fully tested the PID, SSR and thermocouple on the workbench before final installation. Monday - Friday: 10am - 4:30pm. Bliss. These are located around the shower screen. Thanks. Does anybody have a Shades of Coffee pdf for the brew and steam setup on the gaggia classic, mines a 1998 classic coffee model, it would be much appreciated. It doesnt matter which thermostat wire is connected to which of the AC terminals on the solid state relay. Popular categories from this store. I also checked to ensure that the physical steam switch is functioning correctly and the circuit is broken when it is off. Its no secret that the chassis of the Classic has extremely sharp edges. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. Auber Instruments. The documentation showed the default settings as P:30 I:240 D:60, but after tuning they were P:37 I:50 D:12. I dont own a multimeter. The label on REX-C100 says that it is produced by RKC, Japan but you never know for sure :-). The operation is the same as the unmodified Gaggia machine. This would also allow you to switch to PID-controlled brew mode simply by lowering the PID temperature. If youre following a recipe that calls for a specific water temperature, then it would be easier to do this with an offset at the PID. Adding pre-infusion would require either a different and significantly more sophisticated PID, or integration with something like a microcontroller. To find the neutral inside the GC, you have to test using a multimeter or voltage meter. Shades uses an XMT7100 modified to run two SSRs: a DA for the brew temp and an AA for the steam temp. Did you try it? Your wiring looks right. This is a PID controller for the Gaggia Classic by Auber Instruments.This PID controls water and steam temperature. I agree the ability to know exactly where the steam cycle is at is a nice convenience. If youre not comfortable installing this yourself, and taking on any followup maintenance, I think you would be much better off purchasing a machine that comes with a PID from the factory. 7. Without offset the range is between 109-159, still too low. It has worked without issue so far, and maybe thats bound to happen to the plastic as current goes through and it gets old, but would love to hear other opinions. Also noticed if you use the steam for the milk it takes a lot of time to go back down (10min) to the set temp(i do run water through the boiler to bring the temp down, but it floats at a higher temp for a bit), does the steam affect the PID calculation or dont I need to worry about it? Can the PID be put inside the machine or does size constraints and/or heat negate that option? No extra button is needed to press for frothing. The PID gives you consistency. Remove the cover assembly and filler funnel by unscrewing the two small screws at the rear of the top. Not sure why that was the case. 40A SSR Solid state relay included Its not elegant, but does the job to give you a pretty good relative temperature to aid your temp surfing. I managed the brew side PID and digging in for the steaming side, using PID alarm function of my XMT 7100 unit. I dont want to void my warranty. Hi Chris 4.8. Ill dismantle on a cleaning weekend and test the thermocouple again. For the melted connector plastic, thats a sign of either a wire or a connector that is carrying too much current for its rating, or most likely, a connection between the wire and connector that is not as solid as it should be. Top Rated Seller Auber Instruments is one of eBay's most reputable sellers. While the steam switch is engaged, the PID serves to provide a temperature reading of the boiler, which is great, because you can use that temperature reading to time when to start steaming for maximum steam performance. For more than half a century, Gaggia has been supplying both coffee bars and homes with innovative, state-of-the-art coffee machines. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LODGP2E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1, BOX There are other resources online as well. Gaggia Accademia. Upgrade your Gaggia Classic with the Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia. I plan on doing the same thing as you did, bought both PID simply because the QB-T7100 is slimmer the case is readily accessible from mr. shades, compared to the higher cost of 3d printing a case for the REX. $375.00. You can buy them at Ace hardware for about twenty five cents each. For RI9403, please check KIT-GGX-EU. The Auber pretends to add a couple of things, but functionally, they're very much the same. Which Auber PID for Gaggia Classic? Power input. August 05, 2019, 11:46:38 PM . One end of the wire should be a male disconnect connector, and the other end should be a spade connector. The SSR is just a fancy switch and it should only be turning on and off, so depending on how you measure you may not see current. The best way to find is: 1-Connect one cable to the mains connector at the back where it is showing N sign meaning Neutral. Chris, i read some comments here about steam. I recently acquired a Gaggia Classic with an Auber PID controller installed. 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