I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. When mankind was childlike, before Christs presence in the world of Gods creation, we had the Old Testament and its teachings to guide us. The word says in the end times the ignorant will not be able to understand or see the miracles and the signs and wonders that the Lord is doing because they have been blinded to it. then I realized you are in a bad twisted place.. and if I could meet you have coffee with you see your life then that would be confirmed. Weak and shallow theology is taught, and many grab onto it because they do not read Gods word as intended. Had I listened to the Pastor who told me Joyce Meyers ministry went against the word of God I may still be 300+pounds tens of thousands of dollars in debt and struggling to find my worth and value as a woman of God. Believers, on the other hand, must continue abiding in the doctrine of Christ to have fellowship with the Father and the Son. Public confrontation ought to be animated by a desire to protect Gods people from being led astray by teaching that is spiritually and morally harmful to them (Acts 20:28). 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. . Whats your take on it? Thank you, Amy, for cleaning up that mess. Rising from the Ashes of Abuse: Christine Caine & Jennifer Clinger - Jesus Calling Podcast Episode 68. Put out your little warning marker if you need to when you find someone is acting falsely. 3:5-9). Those who persist in false teaching present grave spiritual danger and must be opposed. I am WAY too busy aligning my own life with the scriptures to spend too much time pointing fingers at others. Believe it or not, I used to believe very similar to youthat as a woman I had no power to influence other men, that I was to simply shut up and do as I am told by the men around me, etc. Isnt there a harlot in the lineage of Christ? 40.2K followers. Wolves are loners. Beth Moore teaches the same thing, but oh my goodness! Yes, Lydia was the LEADER of her house church and played a key role in getting her family baptized. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. If you have been healed of an abusive past while listening to Christine, thank God and move out of this pagewhich is what I am doing now. His important and humbling messgae to us all was that we need to be willing to sit down with those who (we claim to be false) or maybe are not false but have poor doctrinal beliefs and work with one another. 21Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Youll find her corrupt theology lacking. If any human being, or even an angel from heaven, preaches another gospel (another of a different kind), Paul prays that he should be accursed. Jesus said Narrow is the road and only a FEW find it. One day all the walls that man created with denominations will fall and we will stand before our King and will most likely realize that none of us had it all rightas much as some of us might like to think. Love is the most powerful thing on earth, I dont know why you waste your time gossiping and making assumptions up about people But its not my place to worry about that. Id like to know. You cant add or take away from the gospel and thats what they are doing. Again, the stakes are high here. Believe it or not, I used to believe very similar to youthat as a woman I had no power to influence other men, that I was to simply shut up and do as I am told by the men around me, etc. While I have a lot of Biblical knowledge (Ive been a Christian and serious student of the word for nearly 15 years), I was very convicted in how it had been a few years since I had won anyone to Christ. Are you intimidated by the words, testimony, presence of a powerful woman of God? I write this as a Baptist, and so I would argue that the excommunication is a congregational responsibility and not something that pastors can impose alone (e.g., 1 Cor. When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. I know Im glad Manny and Amy dont have a heaven or hell to put people in, because it sounds like theyd throw Lydia and Priscilla in. I do not know you to question your faith or beliefs, but based on what I have read, I do question your motive. Christine Caine treats the bible in thissermonin a similar wayhow a clairvoyant will speak vague things into a persons life as though they are predicting a persons fate/destiny. Ok, Ill step out of the conversation again. And there is one thing you must remember about wolves which separates them from Christians. I didn't start 25 years ago with a global ministry. It comes across as VERY condescending, haughty, and insulting, as if you are laughing at someone who is too stupid to go elsewhere. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? Every woman, girl on the planet is a daughter of the most high king, made in Gods image. There was no big crisis of faith, she says, just a build-up of the pressures of life and the responsibilities that she carries. Its not about who is qualified, whether they are male or female, whether they have gone to college for decades or even if they arent human. But Christine Caine is here to speak above that noise with the truth of how God sees you, and who he's created you to be, so you can make his name famous! Local: 704-401-2432 Learn that though life is not always fair, Jesus is NOT finished. (Acts 8:17-20,Matthew 6:9, Isaiah 57:8, Revelation 9:21). Discover how to triumph through the blood of the lamb and the word of your testimony. Neither should you. Also, I realize this argument is contentious among divided denominations who believe preaching and teaching are mens roles only in the church. Am I acting like this? Ukrainian People Living in Hope Despite Worsening Crisis, Chaplains Helping with Flood Disaster Recovery, How I Survived My Small Business Being Smashed By Floods and Pandemic, Living and Dying For Your Faith This Easter, Whats Important in My Life? God will be our judge! Here is a Pastrix Caine sermon review. 2:24-25). I remember cleaning the toilets as well. Be encouraged as Christine Caine discusses how to escape the lies you may. Last week, we released a new episode of our podcast, Pardon the Mess, with Christine Caine as the featured guest. When a person, especially one claiming to be a Christian, however, takes the hard-fought life story and lessons of another and puts them in two of her books as her own without any source attribution, there is something very, very wrong in that persons life. Word of Faith is what Gods Word is!! The key issue is how we respond to correction. Occult Sorcery 1 Corinthians 15:33, 2 Corinthians 6:14; Romans 16:17-18,Ephesians 5:11). Please show me where one called out wolf has been accused without documentation. Jesus called the Pharisees out to their faces. I understand a loving nudge in the right direction from a truly loving soul whos purpose in life is to point people towards heaven.. So get people into the lifeboat. All of these women who do speaking engagements unashamedly and unrepentantly preach to co-ed . That's probably why I'm so intense, passionate, and serious about my faithbecause it wasn't a light decision. Traveling without your husband and encouraging women to submit to their husbands and follow their husbands leadership in the home! Does the author of this article have the power of discerning a persons heart? 2:14). Mormonism Mariners Church. Being that Christine Caine is a product of Hillsong, look up a must-watch video from Brian Moonan called HELLSONG. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Am I talking like this? Shame eats away at the core of who we are. From Abused To Unashamed: Christine Caine's Story. Once she did so, she became an upstoppable force. As soon as I walked in I knew, This is what I've been wanting all my life. . But just as you assume others come on here just to defend their favorite teachers, I ask what do you come on here to do? I was honored when my former boss (who is male) told me that seeing the way I live my life inspired him to get back into his Bible and find a church for his family, as he had walked away from his faith after 12 frustrating years of Catholic school. We are to rebuke openly false teaching. Paul commands Titus and the believers in Crete to distance themselves from false teachers, As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him (Titus 3:10). When I was young, I cried out to God in my naivete and innocence, and in my desperation felt he wasn't stopping anything. Pardon me, but I need to focus WAY more on that before someone else. Worse, she enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids and is unashamed to say so. They walked as one for they had mutually agreed to put Christ first. l suppose you believe judging others is wrong correct? Satan seeks to corrupt Christs Church through false ministers who preach a false message. Ex-lesbian Jackie Hill Perry recently rebuked Christians who were angry that she spoke on stage at Christine Caine's Propel Women conference and called Bethel Music's Jenn Johnson her friend. I wrote the last chapters during the first three months of lockdown. So bnos na minha vida e de milhares!!! 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. While I am not an avid follower of Caine, Meyer or Beth Moore, the times I have seen them, their husbands were in the audience (and their travel schedules referenced). I have a question Have you read Mark Battersons book The Circle Maker? We all ask for the spirit of discernment & as we grow in spirit, will soon know who is who or the Holy Spirit reveals it to us without you being judgemental to a fellow human being. I think this is a site for pharisees. Pray tell how? The best of Christine Caine Quotes, as voted by Quotefancy readers. Penso que isso seja inveja por Deus usar essas mulheres poderosamente!!! Nothing loving here as far as i can see. NEW EPISODES POSTED WEEKLY. I dont know why I go searching for these articles. We sit in our I see names of preaches being thrown around without regard, I see many arguments going back and forth trying to outdo one another with self-knowledge and a a tonne of Bible bashing. When I really got established in the Word at Hillsong Church, it was awesome, but it has cost me everything. Pastors have a responsibility to oppose false teaching whenever it arises. People are afraid of what they do not understand. Quotes. Hagins principal disciple was Kenneth Copeland who, with his wife, Gloria, is the unofficial leader of the Word of Faith movement. Solicitation Disclosure Statement So much of our social media imagery shames people and tells them youre unworthy, youre not good enough, smart enough, pretty enough, thin enough or rich enough., So much of our social media imagery shames people and tells them youre unworthy, youre not good enough, smart enough, pretty enough, thin enough or rich enough. what did Paul call those that did trouble him in Galatians 5:12? I think a lot of my past had really caught up with me, and so I was very sceptical about the love and the grace of God. I also hope this person finds truth and happiness in God and in his word. The fear and our love of God compels us to defend His words, not mans. Where am I?So I thought:OK, Im gonna put it all out there. What lessons have you learned about partnering well in marriage and ministry? Its not complicated. A response to this is appreciated. The weapon of the enemy are the wolves standing behind pulpits teaching lies and heresies to the sheep, who would rather follow them than Jesus Christ. Nick and Christine Caine, pictured with their daughters Catherine (left) and Sophia (right). I think we need to get that place where we can rest in Christ and get our identity and value in Him and not in media or other people. The Holy Spirit draws people to Jesus, whether we understand it or know it, its just a mystery. And shes passionate about helping to free others from the burden of shame too whether theyve suffered abuse, or simply struggle with everyday mummy-guilt. 12:18). Spiritual Formation A father of two who saw an opportunity for both his family and his business to get involved. Although a lot of bad things happened to me, my life is a testimony that God can talk the bad things that happened to you and turn them around for his glory. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? Like her or not, Christines message convicted me and got me back to the business of reaching out to the lost. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. There are two kinds of false teachers: those who repent and those who do not. They are not the true church. I listen to Christine Caines messages and Ive never heard anything bad. When Christine was a youth pastor at the Hillsong Church, she attended a workshop on abuse to get ideas about how to help people. If its a false doctrine, its a false doctrine, no matter you feelings about it. Ten weeks later, Caine testified that Jesus had healed the one part of her body that is "most used to do what God has called me to do.". Luke 19:39-40 3 9Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, Teacher, rebuke your disciples! 40I tell you, he replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.. I do NOT comment on hearsay, other peoples experiences, other peoples commentary or who heard about who said what to who when. New Age Christine Caine: Unleashing Your Life. People who post here are haters and not lovers of Christ! Get more articles like this delivered straight to your inbox! Praise Jesus. Praise Jesus'. Keep seeking the Lord and His truth will be found by you. From the age of 3 to the age of 15, Christine Caine was abused by 4 men every week. Confused as why you added, traveling without her husband. International preacher, speaker and author Christine Caine recently revealed that she had been diagnosed with cancer. A lot of my adult life has been a journey of learning to trust him. Im helping girls in the A21 transition homes who have been brutally abused and raped and are so shame-filled, helping them find their identity in Christ and stand on their own two feet, she told Hope 103.2, [but] Ive seen some of those same shame struggles in some of the most successful women, that battle with the shame of trying to balance life, thinking Im at the office too much and Im not the mother or wife I could be or girls that are in their mid 30s or 40s and are single and struggling with shame over that. I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. Read out White Paper on the Word of Faith Movement, Christine Caine, Complementarianism, Elizabeth Prata, Heresy, Hillsong Church, Joyce Meyer, New Age Movement, Occult, Sin, spirituality, Word of Faith. In conclusion, whats the point of confronting false teachers? This is so dumb. Like back in SUFTT? Purpose Driven 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. And so that, as you could imagine, messed me up. When you first start being abused you think that what is happening to you is shameful and wrong, but when it happens repeatedly over a long period of time and no-one intervenes, you begin to think theres something wrong with you. Do you know me to say such a thing? Youre making this a personal issue, when its not. I dont know you personally, so Id like to believe that it is not your intention to be condescending, so Id like to make you aware that there could be another, more loving way of asking about why someone has chosen a particular resource for guidance.and to acknowledge that while the teaching may not be perfect, that they have obviously gained something positive from it. I dont see you recommending ANYONE else. Evangelist Christine Caines 60-Second Testimony. At one point my therapist said, "Christine, your recovery is totally dependent on you. To fail to do this is ministerial malpractice and harmful to Gods people. Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. 1 Peter 2:1, Dont grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. The Bible clearly forbids this in a number of passages. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. This Hillsong Bible teacher overcame a childhood of sexual abuse to become a fearless crusader for Christ in the fight against human trafficking. ~ Christine Caine. I am still laughing. Read what the real women of God did in scripture, neither Cain nor Meyer fit the model. We must be careful not to imply through our associations affirmation of false teachers. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Why dont you pick up scripture and compare what she says to what the word of God says? There was this dark secret going on. Christine decided to allow God to begin the process of healing and restoration. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters. I respect your passion for exposing othersI have a similar passion around making sure people know the Bible for themselves so they can be appropriately discerning and have a solid foundation rooted in THEIR OWN knowledge (and not what someone else says or teaches), as I believe faith grows by hearing the word YOURSELF. I genuinely thought this was a joke HAHAHA. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple Light works most effectively in darkness. Evangelist Christine Caine's 60-Second Testimony. But it should also be motivated by a desire to see false teachers come to repentance and faith. Caine took to her blog on Tuesday to share that during the span of a week, she had gone from having a sore throat to being diagnosed with four separate throat conditions, including stage 1 of thyroid cancer. God looks out for us all, dont you agree? God, not us, instituted the hierarchy in His church. Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. In this post, we will consider what pastors and congregations are supposed to do in response to such persons who emerge in their midst. The mass followings, the hundreds for Christ are just numbers. bringing swift destruction upon themselves their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep (2 Pet. Question for you: what are you doing to follow Matthew 18 and take your questions and concerns to Christine, Joyce, etc in person? One taps you on the shoulder when youre doing something wrong, the other tells you that you are, inherently, wrong. Im truly confused and wondering. When people are seeking to resolve conflict by following Matthew 18, I am interested in doing all I can to help seek Godly resolution. Im sure Craig Groeshel and Chris Hodges are somewhere on your false teachers list as well. As I stated before, in the end, we will all be held accountable for our words, and if you feel great that the Lord will congratulate you on your posts, then AMEN! There are no super-Christians, theres an amazing God. Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers? 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Our job is not to judge others. Please dont tell me I just need to stop thinking about getting married. We must be willing to boldly take a stand for the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ by pointing out the ravenous wolves that Paul warned us would be coming, and noware here: 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. It is difficult not to be inspired by her passion for Jesus and her unwavering belief that God is still in the business of doing what the Bible says hes always done. "Some of my most precious ministry moments happened in those waiting rooms and hospitals," says Caine. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. No matter what is said or written, it should all be tested and proven with the scripturesnot accepted blindly. I think thats where it got into me from a very young age, thinking, what is wrong with me?, there must be something wrong with me. I pray that you would humble yourself before the mighty hand of God. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. You have NOT confronted them to their faces. As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. The masses you speak about want nothing to do with that, they want to have their ears tickled by false teaching. You come across as just wanting to be right. Its not quantity its quality, in this case the everlasting Gospels, unadulterated and preached exegetically.. something that neither Meyer or Caine does. I had to trust that God knew what was going on in my life and that if He brought me to it, He would bring me through it. Xoxox. Paul ratchets up the rhetoric when facing down serious error coming from Hymenaeus and Alexander: Some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Christine Caine. Rather than writing about her on message boards, I encourage you to follow Matthew 18 and attempt to reach her directly (her website, her social media accounts, her ministry, her appearancesincluding one in Chicago this week). 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